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June 12, 2009

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Jon Walker

If you need a new design, development, hosting and digital marketing partner please check us out - http://www.aristoworks.com.

Scot Evans

Big ugly corporations can suck the creativity and energy out of everything. They did here. We were one of the first echo clients from way back, and hated to see the grassroots energy get eaten up over the years. So it goes.

Roe Frazer

For a helping hand, check out www.digome.com or email me, Frazer@digome.com. We are in Nashville, and recently hired some top developers at echo and a fan club marketing whiz.

Rebekah

Yes... Echo definitely screwed us over. We got invoices YESTERDAY (thursday) for stuff they did in 2007, and told us that we needed to pay them before they gave us our domain info. Our sites are set to go out on Monday. So they gave us one work day to pay them and we sent the checks but now we can't get in touch with anyone to get our domain names. I've called the main #, the customer service #, and our account manager's cell... and emailed numerous times and cant get an answer. So we could be really screwed because we can't get our domain names.

From a client's perspective, I highly recommend going with Otterball (www.otterball.com). We started moving our sites over there a few months back (before echo announced their demise) and we are nothing but happy with them. They are WAY cheaper in every way than Echo and their sites look much nicer. Everything is extremely customizable (so you aren't pay $150 to get one link changed), and they give you access to FTP. They are the only company we've found that not only has a great CMS, but also has fantastic design.

Only thing with Otterball is that they do not do email communities, ecommerce, or marketing. So if you're looking for the full package, then they aren't the solution. But if you're looking for a great looking site that's easy to update and really customizable, I highly recommend them.

Anthony

Would love to offer a solution: The FanCue platform has been built to assist the artists leaving echo, www.FanCue.com.

Built by iDesign Inc, a Nashville firm, (www.idesigninc.net), FanCue has signed up a few former echo clients already, and time is of the essence. The process is more difficult and time consuming (thus expensive) if converted after the site is taken down. The files provided by echo/Ticketmaster as you can imagine are not great, so it helps to reference the current site when rebuilding to a new platform.

The platform has the e-mail marketing, tracking, reporting, e-commerce, fulfillment (through WFS, same warehouse echo used for convenience factor) and intensive control features. iDesign is also working with former employees of echo for marketing and street if needed. iDesign is offering some good deals currently to move sites over....

Chris

Check out the ground control people - www.groundctrl.com

Taylor

As a former echo employee, I totally feel for these clients. That's why I co-founded Strategic Blend, to help offer that same original service to these smaller and mid-level clients. The difference - with us you OWN your website, you don't rent it.

John W. Robertson

SEEMS YOU FOLKS ARE MISSING ANOTHER SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS...THE OWNER OF ECHO, MARK MONTGOMERY RECEIVED $25 MILLION FROM TICKETMASTER AS A BUYOUT, AND RECENTLY SPLIT THE COMPANY SEEMINGLY WITH ALL HIS CASH. IF IT WERE ME, I'D FIND A GOOD ENTERTAINMENT ATTY AND GO AFTER MONTGOMERY & ECHO/TICKETMASTER VIA 'CLASS ACTION'...MONTGOMERY'S REALLY THE ONE WITH ALL OF YOUR MONEY.......HE MAY HAVE HAD PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MAY HAPPEN TO ECHO CLIENTS...(PREMEDITATED) THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF THEFT(FELONY) AND MAFIA STYLE SHAKEDOWNS!!! just sayin.......

Craig H

I debated whether to remove Mr. Robertson's comment because I think it's poorly informed but this site is here to foster discussion so I won't. Let me just say that in talking to many echo employees and clients, current and former, I've heard almost no animosity toward Mark Montgomery. He achieved what many aspire to, building a company over a long time with hard work and inventiveness, and most folks say he did the rational thing in selling. Nor should he be held responsible for corporate decisions made above his head or after he was gone. Whatever ire I heard has been directed at Ticketmaster and the corporation it's rapidly becoming.

Sherry Anderson

I can help rebuild/recover your websites. We also offer social media marketing services. Give us a call at 615-746-2935. We are local and have content management tools available.

mdave

Interesting that all the comments miss the lesson from the Echo demise.

The internet moves fast and so do companies that run it. They appear and die just as quick.

Having a website isn't enough if you can't get your information out of it. Echo is proprietary and the artists can't get their content out. Don't go with another firm unless they can export your info.

My full thoughts Craigs article: Web 3.0 the Age of Interchangeable Data and the Echo Music Demise Lesson (http://www.nashvillefeed.com/node/461)

I'm not the author that Craig is but you will get the point hopefully.

Sherry Anderson

if there are any echo music clients needing help rebuilding/recovering their websites, give me a shout - 615-746-2935 or email me at info@andersonwebdesgin.com. I can also help with domain recovery, hosting, social media marketing, content management, etc.

StratBlend

I couldn't agree more with Sherry Anderson above. DON'T RENT YOUR SITE ANYMORE! anything built with proprietary CMS (like echo) will eventually die.

OWN YOUR SITE, http://www.strategicblend.com/

We'll set you up with hosting (that you own and control) and design your site based on open-source technologies.

Lesia Latanation

You know, it's a real shame that no echo peeps are contributing to this conversation. I've never know any echo peep to remain silent about anything near and dear to their heart.

I worked at echo for over 2 years and those were some of the happiest days I've ever had. I'm very proud of the work echo did. I will always love my echo family, and they will always be family to me.

The company Mark and Neil created was ahead of it's time and helped the careers of many Nashville artists. I can tell you that Mark fought as hard as he could to maintain the integrity of the company against the evil empire. His departure was difficult, for him and his peep family.

Once the heavy hand of TM started coming down hard, things changed, and fast.. but the peeps who worked there were (and are) as committed as ever to their clients.

I'm VERY pleased to say that several of my echo client relationships are continuing with my new company, Music City Networks.
I hope many more will come our way, we welcome all clients (large and small) here with open arms. Our primary concern is, and always has been, the success of our clients.


mark montgomery

it was a sad day on Thursday the 18th when echo's light was extinguished...and a happy day in that nearly every employee already has a new gig, and the clients are finding new homes

i am proud of the work we did at echo, and wish for a different end. but change is the only constant.

two ironies worth sharing. first, my dog walking pal paul schatzkin (the founder of songs.com referenced in the article above) pointed out how echo benefited from the death of his business at the hands of Gaylord, and how much good came out of that for the artists, and for echo (who picked up a lions share of those clients.) we raised the bar, and now someone else will step in and advance the cause.

second, i spent the evening of the shut down with Rev Eddie Vedder in the hallowed Ryman Auditorium in nashville. for those of you who are too young to remember, Pearl Jam sued TM for monopoly practices in the early 90's, standing up for the rights of their audience when no one else would. the "coincidence" of the evening is certainly not lost on me...it was a cathartic event.

i personally mourn the loss of the business, and our people mourn its loss as well. and at the same time, i am excited about the business, and intend to learn my lessons and apply them to whatever finds me next...

a little tribute to the business, which was ALL about our people, clients and the audience we all served is here...

http://hellomarko.com/goodbye.html

out. m

seth howell riddle

I worked at echo for about 18 months. After having been laid-off and left with a sour taste in my mouth by Sanctuary Records (thanks, in no small part, to Matthew Knowles who TM is heavily engaged with now) as an A&R man for Roughtrade Records, I was done with this business.

Then I met Mark Montgomery and realized there was a lot of good we could do for an artist. We could walk proud in a symbiotic relationship in which we could actually shape and nurture an artist's career. I proselytized to friends like Todd Snider (who got bent) about the wonders of echo and this new digital world. Then the frontline/tm merger happened and Irving Azoff and Andy Schuon decided to only shoot for folks like Beyonce and Diddy and Rascal Flatts. Well, that was the spanner in the cogs and it surely ain't the way me or most of the echopeeps wanted things to go down.

When we found out the news, our first questions were about our clients. We waited in 24 hour increments for five of the eight remaining weeks until we got "The Plan" which was for us to tell 170 clients to go fuck themselves and get a new website up as well as a store and a bunch of other things that don't just happen in 30 days.

Lots of this boils down to the fact that there are some people (a very few, but an important few) who don't know anything about the music business and they, as well as our clients, would have been better off selling insurance, working for the IRS, or coaching JV football. They don't and will never understand the want and the pain and the sacrifice musicians make. (Remember when those machines killed fascists instead of helping them garner wealth?)

So I, with the help of ticketmaster and frontline, left a lot of friends and heroes high and dry (Jim Lauderdale, Todd Snider, Ice Cube, to name a few) and this, in the end, was never a reason I got wrapped up in this crazy business.


ClubPenguin

They did here. We were one of the first echo clients from way back, and hated to see the grassroots energy get eaten up over the years.

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